Shropshire, Staffordshire, Shrouds and Shoes – Part 1

This is, I hope, going to be an on-going record of my progress in researching a family tree from scratch. This recurring section of my blog will record my research highs, lows, successes and failures, brick walls and hopefully their demolition. I have no set timetable to complete this, so there may be gaps of several weeks between updates. But finally I aim to piece together the history of my husband’s family and write some individual stories. Part 1 describes the preliminary phase of my research.

This particular project is inspired by my mother-in-law. A few weeks ago she announced she had a family bible, complete with a record of a couple’s marriage and the births and deaths of their children.  There was also a series of non-conformist quarterly meeting cards. She was unclear exactly how they connected to her and  so she loaned me the impressively weighty Victorian tome to see if I could discover more.  Within days she added to this treasure, with the discovery of a totally unrelated bundle of documents containing assorted certificates, an apprentice indenture, baptism and burial documentation, and a will linking to various branches of her maternal and paternal line along with some others connected to my now deceased father-in-law’s family.

19th century family bible

19th century family bible

So a wealth of documents to get me started,  far more than other families I have researched.  I feel a bit like a kid in a sweet-shop – so many choices. But I am focussing on one branch at a time rather than adopting a scattergun approach. And I am being disciplined in recording my information sources, as well as any searches (both succesful and unsuccesful), far more so than when I started our researching my family tree. Hopefully this will save time as I progress.

With this in mind my first line of research is my mother-in-law’s paternal line, starting with her father William John Haynes. The reason for starting here is that his is the most complete set of documents in the parcel of papers, with his birth, marriage and death certificates along with various other papers chronicling the key stages of his life. The bible does not relate to this branch of the family.

William Haynes’ birth certificate states that he was born on 27 February 1904 at Elford Hill, Eccleshall, Staffordshire. He was the son of master wheelwright, Joseph Thomas Haynes and his wife Maria (neé Yates).   By the time of William’s marriage to Ada Eardley on 15 September 1929, William’s father was described as  a funeral undertaker. This information was a catalyst for a rather unusual memory for my mother-in-law. She recalled staying at her grandfather’s house and sleeping in a bedroom full of shrouds! According to GRO indexes he died in 1958, in his early 90’s.

A preliminary search revealed that J Haynes undertakers still exists at Eccleshall, with the website providing a brief resumé of the buisness.[1] So in my later research I intend exploring the life and business of Joseph Thomas Haynes.

However, based on the information provided by my mother-in-law, my first week or so’s research has centred around the 1841-1911 census returns and the odd foray into parish records. Using this combination of online sources I have constucted a basic skeleton of a family tree.  This is reproduced below.

Haynes Family Tree

Haynes Family Tree

The census search has proved fairly routine. No real difficulties tracking back to 1841. I used both the Ancestry and FindMyPast UK sites to do this. The only minor hurdle was finding William’s great grandfather, James Haynes, in the 1851 census. Although he was there in the 1841 census and then from 1861-1871, there was no trace of him in 1851. At this point I consulted on-line parish registers available for Shropshire on FindMyPast. Through the censuses I had located seven possible children[2] for James Haynes and his wife Ann. I then identified their baptisms in the Parish Registers for the parishes of Edgmond, Longford and Church Aston in Shopshire. This provided the breakthrough. The youngest children bore the surname “Haynes Parker” or “Parker Haynes”.  Only the youngest child George was born post-GRO registration. His baptism in 1838  is under the name Haynes-Parker, his GRO registration surname is Parker with Haynes being listed as a middle name.[3]  Eldest child, John, was baptised on 10 January 1824 at Edgmond Parish Church with the surname Parker and no mention of Haynes.  From this information it was now easy to locate James in the 1851 census – recorded under the name Parker not Haynes.

It also proved a breakthrough in locating James’ marriage. At the time of the 1851 census James’ mother-in-law Ann Hamlet resided with the James and Ann. The Parish Register of Stoke on Tern, Shropshire has a marriage on 31 March 1823 between James Parker and Ann Hamlet.  The Shropshire Parish Registers also provide a possible baptism for James in June 1797 at Lilleshall[4], illegitimate son of Ann Parker.

So if possible I would like to find out a little more about the reason behind this transistion of surname from Parker to Haynes, which took place during the late 1820’s to the early 1860s.

James’ son Joseph (1834) is the grandfather of William  Haynes. Born in around 1834 the Shropshire Parish Registers show that he was married by licence at Aston in Edgmond on 10 February 1859.  His bride was Mary Webb, daughter of William.  My husband says there is a family story that they are somehow connected to Captain Matthew Webb, the first recorded person to swim the English Channel. As yet, even despite this now shared surname, I have found no evidence to support the anecdote. My husband’s Webb Ancestry from the 1800’s appears to be Staffordshire based, with pre-1800s possibly Shropshire. A preliminary look at Captain Webb shows he was born in Shropshire in 1848. But it is something else to explore.

Of more immediate interest is an occupational connection between William Webb and the Haynes male line. They were all wheelwrights. By the turn of the 19th century the Haynes family  were diversifiying  adding building, joinery, carpentry and undertaking to their trade skill set.  In the late 1860’s they moved from Shropshire to Stone, Staffordshire to ply their trade and appear to have been extremely succesful at it. I had a quick look at the image archive on the Staffordshire Past-Track website[5] and was amazed to find images of  Haynes and Sons, Wheelwrights. This contains photographs of family events as well as ones of their business, including images of portable bandstands (one produced below)[6] manufactured by the family firm.  So again this is another aspect of the family history I intend exploring.

12 May 1910: Proclamation of the Accession of George V, Stone read from the portable bandstand in Granville Square. The portable band stand seen here was the first of its kind and was manufactured by Haynes and Sons, wheelwrights, of Station Road, Stone, and was purchased by Stone Urban District Council. See Copyright footnote at  [6]

12 May 1910: Proclamation of the Accession of George V, Stone read from the portable bandstand in Granville Square. The portable band stand seen here was the first of its kind and was manufactured by Haynes and Sons, wheelwrights, of Station Road, Stone, and was purchased by Stone Urban District Council. See Copyright footnote at [6]

Finally I quickly looked at the family details of William’s mother Maria (neé Yates). Her father John was a shoemaker, born in around 1830 in Stone, Staffordshire. John’s wife Ann and all his children were engaged in this trade. I traced John back to the 1841 census, living in the household of bricklayer James Thornhill and Ann. Other household members included George Yates (14) and Joseph Yates (7). From GRO indexes it appears that James Thornhill married Ann in 1838.[7]  So this is a certificate I would like to obtain to see if Ann’s name was Yates and to find out her background to see how this fits in with John.

I think the most satisfying aspect of researching my mother-in-law’s tree is her sheer delight at each new discovery. Of late she has struggled with memory issues, but this research is rekindling long forgotten episodes in her life.  It is an absolute joy for all concerned when some new find triggers the recollection of something buried deep in the recesses of her mind; or, because she knows I am working on her tree, she suddenly recalls some other fact or story. For example she thought her family routes were in Staffordshire, but when I identified a significant Shropshire connection she recalled her parents visiting family in that county. So this process is proving fascinating for me and an interest for her.

My next steps will be to try to flesh out the tree further with online parish records and the ordering of BMD certificates (oh, for that certificate price reduction, but sadly this research cannot wait!). Then to try to fill in the details of the individuals, their occupations and the times and areas in which they lived. I will return to this portion of my blog later in the summer.

Sources:   

[1] http://www.robertnicholls.co.uk/our-history/7.html

[2] I say possible because of the omission of family relationship details on the 1841 census.

[3] GRO Ref: Q3 1838 PARKER  George Haynes Newport  Vol 18 Pg 124

[4] The 1851 and 1861 censuses record his birthplace as Lilleshall, 1871 Woodcote,

[5] Staffordshire Past-Track website:  http://www.staffspasttrack.og.uk/

[6] With thanks to Staffordshire Past-Track and Mr David Haynes for allowing me to use this image. Copyright is retained by David Haynes who has kindly made his collection available to Staffordshire Past-Track for non-commercial private study & educational use. Additional information about permitted uses of content and commercial enquiries is available via the Copyright statement Copyright Statement on Staffordshire Past-Track. Re-distribution of resources in any form is only permitted subject to strict adherence to the guidelines in the full Terms and Conditions statement.

[7] GRO Ref: Q3 1838 Stoke on Trent Vol 17 Page 147

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13 responses to “Shropshire, Staffordshire, Shrouds and Shoes – Part 1

  1. Hi Jane. I was directed to your website by David Haynes, to whom I am related and now, I find, I am related to you too! My grandmother was Edith Ellen Haynes, sister of William, and daughter of Joseph Thomas and Maria Haynes (nee Yates).

    I have been researching our family-tree, on and off, for several years so you can imagine how pleased I am to find you, and have information I have gathered, confirmed by your research. I also was told the story about being related to Captain Matthew Webb (my gran was insistent about this) and they say, there’s no smoke without fire, don’t they!

    I will leave you my email, and would love to hear from you as soon as you’re able.

    Regards – Jan

    • Thanks ever so much for getting in touch Jan. I’ll let my mother-in-law know as she has shown keen interest in this research and will be thrilled to learn of family connections.
      I’m hoping to pick up this research again in the autumn. When I’ve done some more it would be great to see if it corresponds with yours.
      It’s funny how the Captain Webb story seems to be a common theme with the family so perhaps there may be some truth in it. Hoping my research uncovers something!
      Best wishes
      Jane

  2. Hi Jane – I can help with the Yates research a little – you were right about James Thornhill marrying Ann (nee Yates). Found this on Staffs BMD – http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi

    Hope this helps – Jan Lacey

    • Thanks for the link Jan. Can’t wait to pick this research up again, especially because it is an area I’m unfamiliar with. FMP is proving really useful here with their Parish Registers. I’m due to start my next genealogy course module next week so once that’s out of the way at the end of September I will have more time and hope to have Part 2 written during October.
      Best wishes
      Jane

      • Hi there – will look forward to reading more from you. You’ve probably already worked this out, but I’ve only today realised our connection. If your M-I-L’s dad was William, my gran Edith (known as Nell or Nellie) would have been her auntie, and your M-I-L was my dad’s cousin (my dad was Tommy Lovatt – does she remember them?). Therefore, your hubby is my second cousin! 😉 Say “Hi” to your hubby – my new cousin – for me (as well as your M-I-L of course), and “Hi” to you too cousin-in-law. Maybe we should correspond just by email, save clogging up your website – up to you, I don’t mind either way. Regards – Jan 🙂

      • Hi Jan – sorry I’ve not replied sooner. As you may see from my most recent blog my mother in law has been ill, with a significant deterioration from late summer, so I’ve not done too much on her family history for a while. Happy to email if you want to send me your address
        Jane

  3. Christopher Lowe

    Janet and Jane
    I have now re-read all your recently posted conversation. My mother was nee Elizabeth (Betty) Haynes. My great granma was Mary (Webb) Haynes. My wife and I have a lot of extra info to add to yours, including the family funeral director history!! As I indicated in my earlier email we,too, have had strong hints of a Matthew Webb connection and have spent years trying to find it to no avail. But it does seem to be widely held. We live in between Adbaston and Market Drayton right in the heart of Haynes land. Will tell you more if we can hook up. Chris Lowe

    • Hi Chris. Thanks for reading this post & contacting me. The belief of a Capt Webb link seems to be shared through the generations. I’ve emailed you
      Jane

      • Jane,
        I just came across your website today when searching for Webb Information in the area from Adbaston and High Offley in Staffordshire to Edgmond and Eyton upon the Weald Moors down to Oakengates in Shropshire. This is the area where my 3x-gr grandfather John Webb was in the late 1700’s and where he married Hannah Withington at Eyton upon the Weald Moors in 1804.
        I have been able to find a bit of information on Hannah and her Withington family but John has been a mystery for quite some time. He and his family relocated to Bilston Staffordshire about 1813 where he died in 1835 at the age of 55, prior to any census. He was buried in a Methodist cemetery in Bilston and his son Daniel (my 2x-gr grandfather) was Methodist all of his life although John had his children christened in CofE churches.
        This being said, what struck me about the information you have on your website is that not only do you have connections to Webbs in Adbaston you made mention of some non-conformist related items among your documentation.
        I was wondering if you have made any progress on your Webb research since you posted about them last year.
        Tom Wood
        Pittsburgh Pa. USA

      • Thanks Tom. Sadly I’ve not progressed any further with my husband’s line. It’s on my to-do list. A case of too long a list for too little time. I do hope to revisit it though later this year and I will let you know if I do find anything, negative as well as positive.
        Jane

  4. Jane,
    Very impressed with your research. I have the Haynes bible cover with a lot of information on and I’d be happy to pass a scan copy to you

  5. Happy Easter Jane.
    If it’s of help but I’m remember that on Joseph Haynes articles of apprenticeship his fathers occupation was given as inn keeper of Newport salon.
    Regards
    David

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